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Muqtada al-Sadr to review, at a meeting with his views explicit term in politics and religion and "rein dictator"
Interview conducted in Beirut: Sarmad al-Tai
Meeting in the chest (Section I):
It is one of the most difficult political meetings and most exciting in my experience with the religious centers of power, social and political in 16 years of writing. Perhaps you are among a number of observers, the most enthusiastic to monitor the scion of a family of al-Sadr, which has been since the end of the Abbasid era, at the forefront of the major events in Iraq, Iran and Lebanon.
Since he went to Erbil in May 2012 as an event startle many, and I ask your office to meet draw a recognizable face to face, and answer delayed. Even surprised me by the end of last month and at the end of a hard day's work, contact mannered young illustrious Ahmed al-Sadr, the son of the martyr Mustafa Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr. Asks: Do you come to meet Sayyed? Agip I: Sure. Says: Even if the deadline after a few hours in Beirut? I ask and I am in Baghdad: how? Then take care of the rest, and arranges travel faster tried it in my life.
Within hours, I find myself in a meeting with al-Sadr and some members of his family are "the rest of the sword", and a number of young people who represent the leadership of the Sadrist movement. He noted it seemed to me, I am waiting for the "explore" the atmosphere may be lost in the many big questions, did not leave me drowning in silence. And Xjah touched everyone in the family of al-Sadr, claimed the raises cost and teasing Gelash humbly and intelligence, then turns to me and asks: say you insist on cash brother Nuri al-Maliki every day "Weah Handk Maliki?". Then moderate in its asking himself firmly and voice we hear all "I, too, Handa Weah Maliki?" And opens the door to talk about the extreme necessity Calendar, and should not be silent, saying that there is an opportunity for the Prime Minister to listen to an interview with objectors who are keen on the new experience.
The adult leader in the current notified that I "I am not a stranger." I found myself inside the discussions (with no red line) are between him and the leaders young, and took يفضفض and make opinions remained suppressed on stream Iran reformist Mohammad Khatami "smelting family chest" and the crisis of Syria and his vision of Western civilization and the type of books that يطالعها, and his passion for style novel "Azazel "Egyptian Youssef Zeidan she talks about Christian monk hamstrung by questions of theology and mental shocks philosophy.
Sadr said: We represent a liberal trend is clear, and write at the same time for your positions with joy, especially try to bridge the sectarian divide in crisis demonstrations in the western region, and you are the leader of Movement for the controversial and widely when Islamists and secularists. Amid the silence of most of the Sadrists leaders and their leader, clearest voice.
I did not find it, nor his political team, any Sdod. But they appeared ready to launch a large opening to the "other cultural", with the same enthusiasm that get them to Arbil, about a year ago as he was attending with Iraqi Kurdistan and the reason for the completion of the first political alliance transient barrier nationalism, caste and ideology.
Yes, it seems Sadr in his statements and positions, and Holy reader C_lemsh in his interview with the "long" here, a rare opportunity to meet between the sects. His break more than forbidden, and violates more than a tradition, and the audacity to tell the new lock in his entire family. But is expected to be reciprocated others the courage or risk itself, an opportunity to launch the first major dialogue between the two communities, and national groups, serve as an input to all other components and currents. The most important in all of this pick a launch opportunity much later dialogue between religious and secular.
I tell him that we are waiting to hear a lot from him. It is: "I am also willing to talk., But I refuse along the line talking to newspapers, and limit myself to permit television or written statement, a request for the accuracy and careful of distortion to say." I respond I am trying to assess the religious and social responsibilities: I will leave no more questions and I keep waiting for the answer, and will publish what you write literally. The first response to the request like this, and it was this dialogue that we publish today's first section, which includes more than a surprise, and more frank opinion published for the first time and open a serious debate and fate, far from luxury.
This dialogue published in an exciting moment. AC described radicalism, has for the first time understanding a large and enthusiastic him in the cultural milieu and academic and social prominent names, looking for partnership "civil religion" in support of political pluralism and cultural diversity in Iraq and try to answer the question: How should prevent the emergence of a dictator last?
The bet was so big, and will widen circle of understanding the bigger surprises. Valtiar and its leader, youth of that generation Iraqi who opened his eyes to the great scourges of war. Sadr was born early seventies, belongs to our generation who has not seen nothing but "all wars", and started the day pass gates responsible authority and opposed a policy maker. The Sadrist movement is more than just a party. It is the face senior Iraqi generation today faces a big test. Generation emerges from the ashes of war, "grave dictatorship" to "democratic عراء", and lower monitor carefully how great is our passage from "silent tomb game" to the rules of openness and pluralism .. It is the most painful passage through the history of all nations.
The Answers chest carry color blood family and pains and hopes, and the blood of Iraqis that flowed and flowing, and feel that the message is always, stop the blood and the need to find at the moment on a formula moderation, and the need to forget and forgive, all of us, to reconcile deeply. Do you have or have chest choice but to this? Do you still have or has time to lose?
■ Every Iraqi advocate of moderation appreciate your help sons of the western region Tndij demonstrations. And wish that you will continue advising them. Your strengthens Taarhm moderate intervention. The silence and the silence of the rest of the political class allows owners to provoke them and dragged to a sectarian act offends them and for all. How did you find the level of communication between the two sides recently?
- Perhaps attitudes towards demonstrations in the western region as crossing was varied on several levels:
The first level hostile attitude, which in turn is divided into more than one direction:
1. I: oriented political: the attitudes that come from politicians against these popular demonstrations with political demands in their eyes, as you want to cancel political decisions.
2. Oriented popular: It is a position popular emotional tend to with faith similar and alienated from people with different faiths, and in this sense long speech because most of the Iraqi people has taken root in the minds of some of the ideas Alchddah a bit, and perhaps the main reason keeping their distance from the guide right or the presence of leaders as a Almajajin.
Level II: position neutral: It sounds that are either moderate or sounds that distance itself from interfering in the telecom matters for concern matters of economic and trade or living and general life, or perhaps her political stance neutral and Oandersm so tends not to here and there for the purposes of or certain policies , but that could be included in the box of nowhere.
Level III: Bracket or position in support or less sympathetic with the idea of pretending or Radi demands and other things.
I see maybe silence as the first anti-level enrollment for demonstrations, albeit gradually. On the one hand, and on the other hand, there is a level IV to talk about, may vary materially from the rest of the levels, namely position Rashed or counselor or assistant or cultured for these protesters who are in dire need not to apply their demands, but to the heart of affectionate look at them into Brothers and paternity ينتشلهم of fragmentation Ikhavhm more of them affiliated to them from the people themselves, and this fragmentation not only wants militancy and violence, God forbid.
This position, although it was within the third level (cushions and sympathetic) but it rank, it must continue this level with the demonstrators through direct meetings, if possible, and only through the data and visits and delegations and the like.
Although this is difficult but it is required in order not to escalate sectarian sense in the hearts of the demonstrators, especially if the individual or entity from their community, Fbaldharorh will be pursued by wiping out sectarian inevitably injection.
Overall, the position of anti-demonstrations should not continue, especially if we consider that the anti is the supreme political in the country (the government) whose duty fatherhood and brotherhood, Iraq is not the Secretariat, however, demonstrators, but is the secretariat, however, "the prime minister" as well.
The neutral position about the demonstrations may eventually lead to dire results. The position pro cushions must be logically not emotionally so as not to increase the tendons and sectarian self Altferdi in demonstrators and their leaders.
The position needs to guide that communicates with the demonstrators, but protesters must also reached out with him and Kvahm Hjerana.
■ moderate line in the demonstrations says he is reinforced whenever issued a positive signal from you or from the rest of the Iraqi partners, while reinforced the Baath and Al-Qaeda line whenever Maliki spoke bad about the demonstrations. Is absorbed leaders need to stand with the legitimate demands of the demonstrators to promote moderation against extremism?
- It behooves us to be moderate in all things, we also applied some levels on some of is outside demonstrations and قسمناه to three or four levels in the question, but we and the fairness must divide division is similar to those with the demonstrations and protesters, they even met substantially on demonstrations However, they disagreed on some things, and they were on several levels:
• Level I: radical protester who wants a "liberation of Baghdad and topple Iran" and waiting for the Free Army and the like in the irrational ideas in our view. Or you may catch their claimants who advocated "people want to overthrow the regime" but it is fair to catch the last second level.
• Level II: They want to achieve their demands away from the fact that the government's popularity or they are backed by Iran or America or otherwise, but sees himself as oppressed and the owner of the right undigested should Ahakagah through peaceful protest and that was his demand to overthrow the regime.
Perhaps the overthrow of the regime did not demand, but the first and second level (of the first answer) any entity anti-demonstrations or neutral (Silence) invited him to increase the frequency of demands slowly, so we wanted to take the things of all, but some returned demonstrations (and went to demonstrate against it) and handing it to the people, and what a malicious idea and stood against it and even stood general reference against the idea that harm or benefit.
• Level III: demonstrator non-sectarian and open to all, but he does not have to pretend only a matter of last resort, has tried to make a claim under the national partnership and the so-called national government or through political means,
But he could not resorted to pretend along with the other levels, I mean radical centrist.
However, in most cases be in the mixing levels preponderance of cuff trend hardline, it affects the rest of the levels gradually albeit through intimidation if not through carrots, and therefore we have to embrace those ideas unitary rational and those characters that do not like violence and does not like dictatorship together During moderate letting them listen to the sound of the outside demonstrations and their community.
Let them know that those voices that fuel and enhance Michddém are votes represent only their relatives, and we and you away from home and we are not satisfied with at all and Ngelb together the Voice of Justice and impartiality and prudence and blind our eyes and shut our ears for telecom sounds odd that not only wants to stay her chair and her only. To provide public interest to walk together towards unity and actual autism to a free and dignified life away from the uniqueness and dictatorship.
And play your brethren, you must not listen to the voices of those who belong to you of Taúvtkm who assumed militancy, but learned that you Ptaklkm and your vision of comprehensive unitary Tqmon votes falsehood and gradually Tmahouna.
■ we say that the deal inside Iraqi profitable even if sometimes lost or suspended, the pressures of the outside. We say that what happened in the meeting between Erbil and Najaf breach national rare large proved that Iraq and that Iraqis are not a backdrop for a garden but have their independent and Tsoethm choice that imposes itself on the will of the outside. Do you find that national deepening relations so that correct our regional and international influence?
- May be queuing national Iraqi assembly that occurred in Erbil, a unique gathering of its kind, especially since it was in essence a gathering reflects the convergence of actual real fraternal honest albeit politically peel resulted in the decision to withdraw the confidence and bravery.
The social Barzani was the first brother, and I honestly feel between the folds of his words and perhaps was Apadlna the same feeling, and everything I said was not just concerned of the tongue or a purely political dialogue. But the foundations to the stage of Arab-Kurdish consensus long-term, although we disagree with some political matters.
Someone perhaps say: Erbil already brought Maliki Kurds and other partners, but I say not meeting their betrays only concerned of the tongue, and so you may hit al-Maliki agreements width of the wall and did not take into account the international political protocols.
Then he did not social brother Barzani is the only one, was meeting with the brother Najafi is the first among us, and there were meetings with Mam Jalal, brother Iyad Allawi but were not the first among us, in terms of making the meeting a complete in terms of coverage for each spectra and political components.
However, this meeting was a double-edged Iraqi or which might have been different views between satisfied and indignant, and may only be pleased with great fortune and only discontent with political orientation is contrary to what our house in Erbil from discussions and agreements.
However, between this and that, it was a good start, but good for the orientations of national unity that must be pursued by all political actors, but broader than that, and I think has the foundations for a new stage show brotherhood and honesty away from cunning political and conflict competitive illegal surrounding the political action in the Iraqi arena .
It even resulted alienated some of what you call Sadr, both at the political level or at the grassroots level, but I hope that this visit has established over the future and history of laws and principles for dealing national, and that what was in that visit of no confidence resolution was bold has opened Part of the opposition to the dictatorship and uniqueness wide, to be able to keep the ghost of our beloved Iraq in the future.
I can not fail to mention that this decision but did not see the light until now, was a clear indication that it controls in the country are the people of the country and not those outside the walls of the country and thankfully. Vavhm.
■ Sometimes we use the term alliance May 19, or the "axis of Arbil - Najaf." We feel that passed important tests in Tuz Khurmatu crisis and demonstrations Bank and Council of the Judiciary Act. Wanted Maliki Tfkikkm but succeeded in steadfastness intelligently. To what extent is a cohesive alliance interceptor shared vision on a serious approach, versus those who say that it is a temporary alliance of convenience?
- Although I answered implicitly in the previous one of my answers to your questions wonderful that, but I say that I am reassured that the visit Erbil given me a real partner and strategically thankfully.
■ Astiepkm of the meaning of political pluralism and how to protect in lust tyranny, may be difficult on some Iraqis believe they may need time to ratify sense. There are those who say that al-Sadr's support for multi-path and partnership against tyranny and uniqueness made him lose his audience. How Talqon this?
- In most of the decisions and guidelines that Otbnaha oldest and usually do not see how increasing the public or I have said, but that often is to look at the approval of God Almighty and to the general rules bushy Mr. parent (Jerusalem) through a national basis and Ouhdoah.
And I find a lot of things and the decisions issued me is in the interest of society and the poor and the faithful but at the same time I am sure they will not understand this or that decision sometimes, but Christmlonh bearings did not come to Bali when taken that decision.
Add to is important is that there is political currents Her influence social and media and political big affected by around me, much talk and rumors and questions that may soften them iron, but I hope Steering popular especially cuddly family of al-Sadr, they will not deviate us Al Sadr.
Then that such decisions do not consider it a bra but I consider national, might alienate some of us, but it is the door to make others not on purpose, I proposed while and insisted I do not want, as I said only the face of God. It is the owners of bright minds and neutrals and with national patriotism, positively influenced National Baqraratne and this is also a blessing from the Lord of the Worlds.
Vdhu patriotism if they are not often Kthera, famous or not, behind the scenes, but I hope their lot because they continue even widen their circle and have their voices against dictatorship and uniqueness high and will not fade and will not fade.
■ Western researchers and journalists say: now we are trying to understand how the right of the Islamic described Balmichdd, that protects civil plurality liberal modernist sense. The fact that the political thought of the Sadrist movement witnessed remarkable development. But some elite Mtfajion evolution of ideas. How do you comment on their sense of surprise and they are watching your positions critical of the uniqueness and which has escalated since the 2010 elections?
- Thought not evolving but saw open to other currents which led to their knowledge thoughts and Mtbuniatna, I mean the Sadrist movement, it became known that they have after they are ignorant of us.
Perhaps the default or failure of us, most of those who belong to us closed for other trends, in addition to what passed us by circumstances to resist the occupier at the time, which pulled all telecom currents emergency landing do not mean they are against the idea of military resistance, cultural and political, but perhaps some of them they hold and tend to them.
Then I was impressed with some exclamation that saw that the Muslim hates the uniqueness and tends to pluralism, but that true Islamic approach, which should be every Muslim curriculum and approach.
The rule in Islam has several as potential:
1. The first possibility: that the ruling is infallible, peace be upon him, and this is not the meaning of exclusivity, but refer to the meaning the best or, at peace on his wife, it is not infallible and should be left to refer to is lower than that.
Perhaps this possibility mean there infallible and refer to it is divine rather than popular, you can say that in the first possibility that return people to divine judgment, which may not require democratic than Tarefna it at that time or to elections as usual, but needs to society accept infallibility and believe, not seen one infallible peace be upon them, may impose married to him on others, but requires a genuine belief and also in verse honest: There is no compulsion in religion ... "in the sense that no compulsion faith cardiac Palmasom, and also said verse honorable" What you Hadi blind from their misguided. "
2. The second possibility: Vice infallible or the so-called velayat-e faqih is though inspired by Back to the infallible, peace be upon him, or more familiar, but it should not keep considering that the choice of more familiar to the matter must be referred to the (parliament) Almaúa socially acceptable as well as the acceptance of religious and Islamic ideologically.
Rightful ruler or guardian can not in any way impose control and extend his hand on areas Trdah no society or people do not accept it, if they look closer to democracy generally accepted without forgetting the divine orders.
3. A third possibility: that the ruler Lansana normal, and this does not have his arrival to judge only the opinion of the people on the road to democracy generally accepted, though some people fall short of understanding of democracy, as well as shortcomings in the delivery of the people to govern.
This ruling should not be judged by only including is divinely patients and popularly. It can not impose divine rule on the people rejected not palatable, except through the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice or less ethical ways through education, but he left it better than that the use of divine judgment repulsive to others.
He can not also be unique governance although some people have chosen the majority which is one of the first democratic and founded, if there were other popular destinations Takhtrh should not إغفالهم to all.
And know that democracy was reached is not qualified to judge, it must be a democratic one gate to get rid of that ruling, which may have violated the foundations of democracy.
In other words, the مصاديق Islamic rule are:
1) absolute divine judgment, a judgment infallible Imam.
2) the semi-divine, infallible, a deputy or guardian.
3) secular government, who have in the absence of the first or the absence of the second well.
And must be a consensus that democracy needs in her career and work pruning and educate the people, otherwise it produces things not praise Akbaha at all, as in the noble verse "underestimated his people obeyed him ..." And other abuses that have turned to in other things and did not pay any attention to it one.
Then if we talk in terms of the question and customize the Iraqi situation without other could answer you several answers, including:
First: The Iraq have suffered greatly from the previous dictatorships, we must be mindful of the People on, Vendjal ourselves protectors of the democratic way.
Second: If democracy took place in the hands of malicious and Bahrafhm Figueroa dimensions of the foundations of Islam, an increase of the gap, and if Anhrva Kaslamyin be protecting him in the sense that he wants to use democracy to himself.
Third: The lack of apparent infallible and the absence of the state is Mtsd public and Mtcef extension hand, made us go to the third option which is to support democracy to deliver loyal to power.
Fourth: We thought that the democracy we get rid of the uniqueness, and perhaps this did not happen, especially after we know that democracy is reached more voices do not talk about the real decision-maker. And the real decision-maker with the arrival of the ruling is infallible democratically has several levels.
The first level: the ruling Democrat who grew up in an environment that a true Islamic democracy, and this will make it resolution Tferdi but will be involved, among others:
The first: the religious, especially with being a Muslim.
The second: to engage with the political parties that accept his participation in the decision to be a comprehensive decision in terms of the people and especially with those who have grass roots.
The third: the involvement of the people, if not directly shall be by Parliament, not to seek to marginalize him.
The fourth: the real Avatar Advisory ... And others.
Level II: the ruling Democratic who wants democracy not know its true sense because he did not live with, it may fit in this regard has been invalidated or less mistakes, and like this can be supported to evolve in terms of democracy, he found the same development shall be to continue to support and help him necessary, and only better Vaturk.
Level III: He not understand democracy only as a way to deliver it to power and a chair, it does not please him only to protect himself and his throne and rule only Alshahua.
The incidence of democracy, however, is not qualified for that, will make doomed Koukua "freedom" but not qualified, has opened the doors of everything and make it in the category of freedom and make it dissolved does not think people in a living or how to rule.
Our greatest fear is to be pope to protect democracy dictatorship, and this tyranny to democracy, and the interest rate is only the "democratization of dictatorship" and "democratic Canutrh".
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