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09:41:52 2011-11-26 PUKmedia
Iraqi Satellite Channel conducted an interview with President Talabani, addressed several sensitive topics related to the withdrawal of U.S. forces, and the position of Arab Iraq in the spring and the security situation with neighboring countries, and files the oil contracts and the future of democracy in Iraq and following the text of the interview :
Iraq: Welcome Dear viewers, peace be upon you and God's mercy and blessings in the new episode of the program (an exclusive interview (.
Various topics of concern to the Iraqi citizens and the street can not be exceeded in any case of withdrawal from Iraq and the American political process, and what is said about the stalemate in Iraq and relations with neighboring countries and the effects of the Arab spring .
Topics we are discussing today in this (interview) with the rule of President Jalal Talabani, hello to you, Mr. President .
President Talabani: Welcome .
Iraq: Mr. President, do you agree with us that there is a deadlock in the political process? Made efforts to reduce the gap and distance between the forces and political blocs, but it seems that this gap did not work in your attempts backfilling .
President Talabani: Yes, I think that respond to the many attempts we have made not the required level, and I think that there are many reasons for the stalemate in the political situation or not to move the position as required. And the reasons including the lack of confidence, there is not enough trust between the Iraqi politicians and even the government or the one in Parliament, Second non-compliance with past agreements and the subsequent non-compliance with the ministerial solidarity, you will find a minister outside the cabinet speaks and shows like ... Another point is very important is the lack of agreement on a national program of action, whether in government or in parliament, and therefore these differences lead to different positions, and I regret to say that the language used in the differences is the language of an uncivilized, the language is not worthy of the politicians, eg when different party with a given position up to the charge of treason and direct employment. Foreign Minister to take a position in the Arab League, a position independent, does not agree, not with the opposition and with the pro wasn'ta direct statements are not responsible that this work was built on the orders of Iran and the Iraqi government carried out the orders of Iran. And the charge ridiculous, not fit for the politicians to exchange such accusations .. On the other hand when you find the other party takes the stand of those who do not like the opposition described as directly accuse them of being agents of Turkey or Qatar and certain Arab countries. This language; language accusations employment should be wiped from Iraqi politics, and it must be the language of our civilization, analysis and reconciliation of positions and the statement of agreement with the national interests instead of recriminations that is poisoning the political atmosphere in Iraq .
Iraq: On this side, Mr. President, there are two words I mentioned, or two positions are very important: first, lack of trust between the political blocs, it is surprising that after eight or nine years of working together after the fall of the regime and perhaps decades before talking Jnapkm lack of confidence and this is strange, II says non-compliance with agreements, it is not committed?
President Talabani: I am a man who works for the convergence and mediation, are not valid to draw me to the charge of not sticking to agreements .. But if we talk in general, we will find non-compliance with a little or a lot of the many parties involved in political action in Arbil, Iraq, for example, the Convention is still some vague or rigid material, for example, several times we agreed not to share the charges and agreed to leave the language of treason and other ..
Iraq: Some accuse the government of not implementing each of the Convention, are you with this opinion?
President Talabani is not true, I think that is unfair to the government .. The government has implemented many of them remained a number of points can not accuse the government of this thing because there are other parties not bound by the Convention, for example, the Iraqi government has implemented the Convention on the ministerial participation and participation in government, and the distribution of the basic functions also .. Carried out by the government, and there are other points have been agreed upon by the government can not do wrong to the government and I accuse them of not implementing the promises .
Iraq: Some say that Iraq is the start of the charges after it was agreed not to exchange accusations through the media, for example .
President Talabani: Iraq launched, sometimes, but also the other hand is the same language, for example, recently, when our Foreign Minister has taken a neutral stance in the Arab League, in fact the man taking my opinion .
Iraq: you mean the position of Syria?
President Talabani: Yes, the position of Syria .. And our representative at the Arab League also took my mind, I was with this view. I do not know whether Mr. Maliki had expressed an opinion in this regard or not, but Secretary of State worked hard there after an interview with the Egyptian and Algerian delegates .. Felt that this position is the correct position. But on the second day we heard the statement that this position is the position of Iran, and Iran has imposed its will, and as I know that Iran were not happy with it they want Iraq to come and vote against this resolution .
Iraq: What did you think when you contact the Foreign Minister .
President Talabani: I was with the same position, and should not be a party to it because there are two fronts .
Iraq: Will contact you before or after the vote?
President asks: before the vote .
Iraq: Mr. President, it seems the culture of the dispute is now the predominant circulating among Iraqi politicians or so it seems to the observer. Are you with this opinion?
President Talabani: Yes, I am with this view .. Culture of the dispute and the culture of the charges is prevailing with great regret, although we know each other so well, there is no Iraqi politician does not know al-Maliki is not a man an emergency on political life, it has been decades in the opposition, and we all were together in Damascus, and at conferences and in other matters, we know his . If the agreed position or close to the Iranian position directly Nthmh of being an agent of Iran, this is a great injustice note that al-Maliki is one of the few politicians who did not live in Iran did not visit Iran, but rarely, this language is the language of an uncivilized and in turn accuse the other of being agents for Turkey and customers to Qatar and so on. If you remain in the Iraqi arena is full of customers and not remain part of the government nor the opposition and the Iraqi national, if the charges included everyone that this affront to all of Iraq .
Iraq: Well as long as the said Mr. Maliki or was mentioned now, shows a press statement on the issue of withdrawal of confidence from the government are you with this proposal? Or at least to move the political action .
President Talabani: I am against the withdrawal of confidence from Maliki, and my opinion was and still is until this moment that the alternative to Maliki Maliki is the same and there is no real need to change the al-Maliki .
Iraq: This is personal opinion? Opinion, Jalal Talabani, President of the Republic? Or the opinion of the Kurds?
President Talabani: This is my opinion as President of the Republic and the opinion of the Kurdish leaders .
Iraq: This is your personal opinion as well?
President Talabani: I do not go out the policy of the Kurdish leadership, although some of the phrases used by different, but in terms of the basis and essence I am convinced that the Kurdish leadership does not see any reason to withdraw confidence from Maliki .
Iraq: Kurdish leadership Baktbhe?
President Talabani: Baktbhe and Boqtabha other .
Iraq: Now there are obvious differences, and this concept, and you as a sentence or Geert be the referee .. Of receipt of the blame for the pervasive differences between the political blocs now?
President Talabani: I think that all the political blocs are responsible to a certain degree, and I am as a person working to bring these groups do not see an interest in the indictment in absentia, or through the media to the point of the actors, but when I meet them I tell them explicitly what is required of them and is the one who should avoid it or to act upon it .
Iraq: Mr. President, we can not resist Dblomacetk .. We Nashún in this work, he spoke frankly, a little bit .
President Talabani: My dear brother, I hope this is not diplomatic, but this is a responsibility I am now in the gallery to mediate between all people, gather them with some of the closest, if Anhzat party against the other will lose this role .. But I am not silent at meetings .. In the meetings that occur between the forces and speak as well as in bilateral meetings speak, and when the situation requires to criticize, criticize .. But I always used the language of criticism and rose in the other .
Iraq: because you rose .. Tell us about your initiative a good new .
President Talabani: God willing, I will seek to an extended meeting with all political forces, including participation and non-participating in the government and call before then to bilateral and trilateral meetings and I am trying for example to a meeting between the poles of the blocks and a limited number to be frank is the prevailing and then claimed to the meeting of all political groups including the is contributing to the Communist government Kalhzb for example, and the National Democratic Party and the Movement of Arab socialism and the forces of other independent nationalists and Nasserites .
Iraq: When?
President Talabani: soon, God willing, I now preface the air for meetings of bilateral, trilateral and then never, God willing, the wide encounters .
Iraq: Do you have defined it?
President Talabani: I am I will present a draft written for all to discuss it .
Iraq: What are the main features of this project?
President Talabani: the basic features of the project, which is where I think we must agree on a joint work program and ministerial and parliamentary, and must agree on the attitude of some of the burning issues such as the position of the Arab spring and the position of Saddam's Baath and the situation of terrorism. For example, I as an administrator for the protection of the Constitution came to me the complaints sometimes, for example, I received a complaint about the group who were accused of wedding Dujail and made the subject, and I am a lawyer I used to hear different opinions verified that the complaint is false and unfounded, however I was asked to intervene against the decisions issued according to the law and the Constitution .. The information I received is incorrect information, if there are issues we must agree upon later. For example the situation of terrorism, the position of the executions, the position of the activity carried out by Saddam's Baath .. The actions taken by the recent security services and police, mainly against the party of Saddam .. Interpreted this activity incorrectly First, they tried to give this activity, dye-sectarian, and then show first, that the existing statute was not Shiite, not an Arab but a Kurd, and that those who were arrested from the Shiites do not just as a number for those arrested of the year, the matter is the fact that he found the movement of suspicious and dangerous against Iraq on the occasion of the U.S. withdrawal was there to create some of the processes of anti-democratic, federal system is located. Police have taken the right decisions, all the arrests took place with the consent of the courts and the investigations were fair and frank confessions were later published of Iraqi public opinion occurred while the sensation of another party that this campaign and it included a random innocent people while the truth is otherwise .
Iraq: If you are a supporter of what government has done?
President Talabani: Yes, I met with the leaders of the police in this building and explained the situation to me at length found them doing the work of national and Fbarkihm Hnathm on this work .
Iraq: Mr. President, an important issue, an issue the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, many questions raised and the concern of the project when the Iraqi citizens as well as when the House and the political blocs and there is assurance of the government and when the military forces, the result must be to ask you, Mr. President, how you look at the possibility of Iraqi forces in the maintenance of security after leaving the U.S. .
President Talabani: I want to be frank with you in this question, in relation to internal security, I believe that the police and military forces capable of maintaining security, as is the case now, but there is great imbalance in air defense and maritime as well as in the use of new weapons, it was seen as of the Republic on the reports from the responsible officers in the army of the Iraqi air power and sea power, armor, infantry, and all these reports showing the need for Iraq to the U.S. presence, or at least to the presence of U.S. trainers; because they say we are not able now to protect our airspace and to protect our waters and the use of weapons to be bought or got some of the Americans .
I told this fact at a meeting of leaders of political blocs and I told them I am Prime Minister, we received these reports and want I am ready to show him it, and Iraqi army officers as a whole without discrimination between the items they want to stay a certain for the Americans, either as trainers or as agents of help for Iraq against terrorism and against external interference, but the result was that the majority refused to give a guarantee for Americans to understand gradually withdraw. I do not think that the withdrawal of the Americans would be a disaster for Iraq Iraq I believe it can to preserve internal security, and that not only the government but the political forces contributing to the political process that contributed to the struggle against dictatorship and overthrow the dictatorship, too, are also ready to defend Iraq and the maintenance of internal security and order Internal example, the Peshmerga forces ready to defend and to work in any area of ordering the government to operate to impose security and stability, and I also think that people would be prepared, and there are Xi last I think that the arguments, however, who are fighting the regime will fall, if they are fighting the occupation and fight the Americans if it withdrew the Americans are fighting is the Iraqi people and Iraqi national forces, so this is also a strength of the Federal Government .
Iraq: But you Mnatamohm or even coaches do not give a chance for the survival of instructors as requested with the immunity of certain Americans, he says, without any possible immunity of people come and arrest me and I have come to Adrbak and to help you .
President Talabani: Yes, I'm giving you immunity and you may know, and did not know if I will tell you a secret is that the Party of Kurdistan Voice of giving immunity to the survival of Americans .
Iraq: immunity against all the others?
President Talabani: not all against it, has become a political game, smart, the only party who declared support to stay is the party of Kurdistan, and the only party which declared hostility is the Sadrist movement, and other parties and the centrist and remained on the fence did not take a virtual position .
Iraq: But the strange thing now is that many political leaders either say that we have not received or have not yet seen reports on the readiness of the troops to give an opinion, of course, after the withdrawal of American forces after the withdrawal became a real case, and others say we Khulna Prime Minister to decide, as if is the one who made the decision not to grant immunity, and if anything bad happened, God forbid, Fbzma the Prime Minister or the Government or the decision was taken .
President Talabani: I want to tell you frankly, is not true that they did not tell the reports, I personally explained to them, at a meeting of political leaders,
Iraq: this talk of history, Mr. President?
President Talabani: Yes, I announced to you from the TV screen, I explained to the political leaders that the officers in the Iraqi army armored them, infantry and air force and navy want to keep the trained Americans, and say that we alone are unable to protect the atmosphere, seas and the use of weapons ...
Iraq: according to official reports?
President Talabani and signed by the official reports of senior officers, the Prime Minister said, I have .. Anyone who wants to kind enough to show him these reports, the distinguished read, who does not believe these reports are ready, it is kind enough to read it and understand its content, and this means the Prime Minister and I explained to people the fact that reports from senior officers of the Iraqi Army, not true to say that they do not know, I stayed authorize the issue of the Prime Minister, that was a smart tactic after he knew that the tide of the National Alliance, the Americans decided not to stay, others say we support what the Prime Minister take, and the Prime Minister said Taadona in everything? They said both only support you in this mess, this was the real position of power, and I think that there was a lack of appreciation of the need to correct for the presence of American trainers in Iraq .
Iraq: What is the situation now, and what are the solutions with our own hands to deal with this situation, do you leave the country like this?
President Talabani: No, first Prime Minister will visit the United States of America, and there will try to get what may be a trained non-military companies that we deal with it, if they shall be without immunity or you may think or agree with the Americans to send missions of Iraq to the United States to be trained the use of weapons that we buy and then come back and train others, or we may agree with some European countries to train the Iraqis on the U.S. arms that we buy, I mean the government is considering to find a solution and not to leave the rope at liberty, as they say, and I support the effort the government in these areas as well .
Iraq: This is part of the solution to the problem, American forces were helping us to obtain intelligence on terrorists, border control and control of this desert and other areas and in weapons training, all of these things .
President Talabani: Yes, I am in my personal estimation, there is not true of the U.S. role. Americans came and Khalsona of the worst dictatorship in the world and without the military intervention was not possible, you know, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, attempts have been many revolutions in Kurdistan and the uprisings in the south and coup attempts in the Iraqi army, are not able to budge Saddam Hussein from the center, which was it, and the salvation of the dictatorship, some people deny this thing and think the mentality of those who call themselves the resistance, therefore, does not appreciate the fact that the importance of the U.S. presence to us, as you would Cheranm these points are important points. But we've got something, the last agreement with the Americans, a framework agreement for strategic cooperation, according to this Convention could benefit from the experience of America and the United States Information and Technology and the American political attitudes in the service of Iraq .
Iraq: How do you assess the U.S. presence in Iraq in these years from the fall of the regime until the decision to exit, which is now, how Takimonh negatively or positively .
President Talabani: The first thing, in my view, their coming was positive to rid Iraq of a dictatorship, I have a friend was in charge of an Arab great and was Anaakecna on the subject of American intervention, and repugnant this intervention, a few days ago I heard on television calling for military intervention in Syria, to rid the country .
Iraq: Who is he?
President Talabani: I do not tell you the secret of this, old friend, now outside the government, but if you hear the radio know who, but do not take me to a confession. I say this for the U.S. presence. Then I think that the Americans when they came here to have committed some errors, the error first they did not agree on an Iraqi national in the beginning, this was the situation under discussion severe between the parties to the Iraqi opposition and the U.S. delegation British in Iraq, even the representative of England tells a transcendent a lot and I remember Dr. Ahmad Chalabi, said to him, Miss Bell was better before your fifty or eighty years since Miss Bell contributed to the formation of the Iraqi government and you are now opposed to the establishment of an Iraqi government, this is the first error, the error for what is transferred subject to the Security Council and turned from liberation to occupation. This is even earn the rights of occupation. There are other errors committed in the formation of police forces and the formation of the army, but I generally held attitude positive, free Iraq from dictatorship a very important step and its impact on the Arab world now and in the future is very large, I'm in my opinion that Iraq is democratic, federal, independent will affect positively on the Arab and Islamic position and the entire Middle East region .
Iraq: Flanthol to another subject, Mr. President, there is always an interview and is renewed for a Kurdish state and the establishment of Kurdish state what is your opinion?
President Talabani: Yes, I tell you my opinion frankly, I am a small co-Kurdish movement, movement, liberal democracy Kurdish, believing that the Kurdish people do not achieve the demands of nationalism and democracy legitimate only within Iraq, democratic, federal, independent of the periods even before the overthrow of property we were We call for the overthrow of the monarchy, we are since the founding of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) also make us the slogan of self-determination, and you know the right of self-determination have different meanings, but the issue of Kurdish government, I think that the Kurdish State Independent is the motto can not be achieved now, I want to be frank with you so let me say that my all, I often discuss some of the enthusiastic young people. Let us assume that the Kurdistan Parliament declared independence, if not declared Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq war by closing the border and were satisfied with it, how this country will live? How how to export import trade and how to deal politically with the world? If, on the current situation requires us to be a federal Iraqi Democrats. Add to that that era is the era of union between the peoples of Europe tend to notice what? The Union. Well as Latin America and the countries of Asia and the major countries are close to each, this era is the era of large entities, the interest of the Kurdish people that make sure it is in the voluntary union with Iraq, and this serves the future and present; so I think that the federal Kurdistan within Iraq that achieve the objectives of the Kurdish people and I I say more, 95 percent of Kurds voted for the constitution of Iraq, the Iraqi constitution, a federal constitution in the sense that 95% of Kurds favored voluntary union with the Arab people in Iraq on secession; so I think clearly this, I do not know in the future after 20 or 50 years how to turn events in the Middle East, I can not predict, but in the foreseeable future, I think that this is the solution within the democratic and federal Iraq that Kurdish people enjoying his or her next to his brother, the Iraqi people .
Iraq: Why whenever a crisis in Kurdistan or close to the election, or for any reason, starting this invitation? Do you want some, the issue of crisis?
President Talabani: I think that those who say this thing some of them of Kurdish extremists and there is extremism in all parts of the world, there are Kurds are not satisfied with the current government in Kurdistan and cite anything, there are also those who believe that the time has come to call for a Kurdish state, to gain mass of the people especially those returning from Europe and living in Europe find that the number of countries belonging to the United Nations reached 190; Why do not you may be, including Kurds, I personally think that the Kurdish people voted on the voluntary union when it voted on the Iraqi constitution .
Iraq: Mr. President, there is another issue raises provocative political forces, especially in the federal government is the region's oil contracts, some see as a departure from the Constitution, the Kurdistan says: No, it is within the agreements or unconstitutional. Where is the truth?
President Talabani: First, we must all acknowledge that the Iraqi Constitution in Article 112 specify that the oil wealth and national, wherever they are, wherever oil Oil of Iraq, all of us, whether in Kirkuk or Sulaimaniyah or Basra, or architecture, this oil is Iraqi oil, imports should be included in the budget central Baghdad, and are distributed according to the Constitution by just between regions or between the provinces and there are several points I want to, notably, the first point and the Minister of oil, especially Dr. Shahristani excelled on the subject of agreements with foreign companies, for the first time imposed on them service contracts and not a partnership that is a good step register for a brother-Shahristani. Allowed the government to regional agreements until the adoption of oil and gas law in parliament, where the law did not pass until such are approved law, the Government of the Territory contract agreements, but after the passing of the bill may not be to the Government of the Region The complexity of any oil deals without the consent of the Centre, Article 112 of the Constitution, paragraph (b) says that the strategic oil in new areas excavated or explored must be agreement between central government and the territorial Government and the provinces so as not unique to a party, there sometimes is disagreement on this point, when a unique example, the oil minister of the Central or unique to the region; therefore may not be unilaterally and there must be harmony or agreement without separately, .
Iraq: another issue for the region is the Turkish bombing of Iran on the borders of Kurdistan, as well as the Turks and the Iranians accuse the region harboring militias or parties hostile to them, as well as the supplement to be an answer Jnapkm complete, we have heard in recent weeks that the Turks have made a project of 15 or 18 points to solve this issue But the region reject the project because it involves issues of sovereignty or something like that, could you tell us this?
President Talabani: Yes, first the fact that the bombing of border areas by the two-state violates international law and violates the independence and sovereignty of Iraq, but the next, there is another fact that there are forces, a Kurdish Iranian and Turkish settle on Iraqi territory and commit acts of violence within the territory of the two countries, these countries respond to these Business bombed areas, and with regret shelling sometimes be on the safe villages and people safe, not on the centers of rebel Kurdish Iranians, Turks, we on our part, we tried hard to convince the powers armed Iranian Kurdish and Turkish, that era is the era of armed struggle and that this era is the era of Che Guevara or Mao Tse Tung or Ho Chi Minh, but is the era of the parliamentary struggle, mass struggle, the struggle of media, political struggle, the struggle of a diplomat. Especially in Turkey, there are areas of the parliamentary and political struggle has demanded located in the Qandil mountains that stop the armed struggle and embrace political action .
Convey to you a secret .. Are Klfona, and they said yes, well we accept your opinion, and we are ready to put the weapon on two conditions, the first general amnesty issued us; because they said when they ask us to the Prime Minister of Turkey to get out of the mountain and come to the cities where Abosonna; Abosonna to our homes or to prison, if Abosonna to prison will not go down from the mountain, and if issued a general pardon us, we are ready .. This is the first application. The second request they said in the Turkish Constitution, the new that there should be stated that Turkey is not the whole of Turkey, there are the people of Turkey is composed of different nationalities signal, even a light to the people of Turkey is not all Turks; for example, our Vice Kurdish famous name Leyla Zana acted intelligently this time when I swore the right of parliament, the alliance says the great Turkish people swear, I swear she said the people of Turkey means great people of Turkey is different from the Turkish people. Vhmlona this letter and I told Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's letter, has promised to study them, and the guy told me he's a Muslim, and Islam does not differentiate between nationalities, and I read him the verse:) O mankind We created you from male and female and made you into nations and tribes so that ye may is the most pious ( .
For the general amnesty he said that the amnesty which the problems and needs to create an atmosphere to the end, I said to him, Mr. Prime Minister you kindly and I told you a Muslim man and Muslim should be consistent and coordinated with the behavior of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, even when the Prophet the conquest of Mecca said, Go you are at large .. It entered the house of Abu Sufyan is safe, his wife, and Abu Sufyan India drank the blood of the Prophet's uncle Hamza, I told him Jnapk must be guided by the Great Prophet said, this is true. But I am not the Prophet Mohammed I, Recep Tayyip Erdogan .
After all this was an attempt and President Massoud Barzani remained in this thing but there is not eighteen items imposed on us, but these are all fabrications Media is not responsible, but on the contrary, the understanding is well between the President Masoud Barzani, the brothers the Turks, as well as between brother Dr. Barham Salih, prime minister Turkish, and there was agreement on the need to find a political solution to this issue but we do not help the PKK in their armed against Turkey, and we saw a clear and explicit that the PKK should end the armed struggle; because the Covenant is not the era of armed struggle and there is a possibility in Turkey for the exercise of the struggle .
Iraq: means there is no initiative?
President Talabani: There was no initiative, but we also told you, I'm the initiative in their own language and I think that the brother Masud discuss the matter .
Iraq: Turkish initiative, I mean .
President Talabani: Yes, wait and be patient a little bit. For Iran, we have made efforts to solve the problem between Iran and Jack, Jack was the work within Turkey and Iran .
Iraq: So it appears that you succeeded with the Iranian side; but it seems that you are on the Turkish side did you manage to convince the PKK throw the weapon, but you did not succeed in persuading Turkey to stop the bombing .
President Talabani: We hope that we succeed, there are also half done and the rest of the other half .
Iraq: Let's get into other topics may be of interest of the Iraqi citizen, as the reports on the hosting of Qaddafi or Assad family in Kurdistan?
President Talabani is not true, for me I have not been any contact with me to this subject ever .
Iraq: The Iraqi state anyone?
President Talabani of the Iraqi state does not know, but for me, because the news was broadcast about me, I deny the subject categorically did not call one of me, what happened to one of the brothers Libyans visited me with a message from Mr. Mustafa, the Libyan leader provisional for the forgiveness of all Libyans convicted in Iraq, including five condemned to death and the others are condemned to several years, visited me brother in Sulaymaniyah, and I respected and showed him first, I have no powers of cancellation provisions and not to the Prime Minister is also the powers of the abolition of death sentences, death sentences can be revoked only by decision of the parliament this first. Second, those who came to Iraq did not come to trade and tourism and to visit the marshes or mountains, but came to criminal acts and release requires the approval of the government and the competent authorities and to know the gravity of the issues, showed sympathy with those who have not committed certain crimes to be released .
Iraq: As you said that you intervene for the release of Libyan and Tunisian detainees .
President Talabani: Tunisians do not, there is no one called me from the Tunisian all Libyans are contacted. This brother Dr. living in Istanbul came to visit us with a message from Mr. Mustafa .
Iraq: Arab spring and what is happening in our region, the official position seems clear one way or another, do you think in general spring Arab, and especially in some cases, there are fears that up by extremists or Islamists to power and I want to also specifically your position from Syria and what is happening now in Syria .
President Talabani: first with regard to the Arab spring, Iraq on several occasions between spring welcomed the Arab in general, and support the struggles of the Arab peoples for democracy, human rights and civilian governments of the parliamentary constitutional principle. We are of course opposed to the Western armed intervention in internal affairs, we believe that the Arab initiative could be a valid basis to resolve issues in Syria .
Iraq: in Syria?
President Talabani: Yes, in Syria, and we also made efforts for the success of the Arab initiative toward Syria .. For this position we of course support the work of peaceful political order of democracy and civilian government constitutional in Syria, and we work for reforms sought by the Syrian people, do not hide you and the public we are worried about the alternative, for example, now is the alternative Tunisian good free elections took place, the forces of a different beat, and formed a coalition between Islamists and secularists, and distributed three positions, and we welcome this step in Iraq, but do not hide We are afraid of the radical party, if replaced the old situation .
Iraq: Who are you afraid of anything?
President Talabani: If you were afraid of extremist forces hostile to democracy and hostile to a democratic Iraq, and hostile to the real significance of the Arab spring .
Iraq: Mr. President, but also public opinion in Iraq, the Syrian regime that was hostile to democracy, and there were accusations that they are sending terrorists to Iraq and booby you be the next worse than previously, for example?
President Talabani: Personally, I see my brother I have the experience of time in my political life, when we fought the system of Abd al-Karim Qasim, without thinking about what the alternative was the result?! The Movement for February Black that brought disasters and calamities on the Iraqi people, so we must be careful, we are against the dictatorship in any Arab country, and we support the right of the Arab peoples in the democratic and parliamentary life and political life and the freedom of the press, but beside that we are against foreign military intervention, and we heard in the a time for the Turkish intervention, and say that this is something scary to what leads? We did not deny the right of the Syrian people's rights and democratic freedoms, and explained our view that both in private messages between us and the brothers in Syria or in comments Brother Ali spokesman for the Iraqi government, or in the statements of the brother-Maliki, or in the statements of Minister of Foreign Affairs, we have said on behalf of Iraq We meet with the liabilities of democracy for the Syrian people, but not with the foreign military intervention in Syria or Turkey .
Iraq: One last question, Mr. President, where we are going now Is there a historical changes are important, very precise historical period as well as internally and externally, where we are now worse or better .
President Talabani: Yes, I tell you frankly my opinion, after the delegation came to Baghdad, Kurdistan has been agreed with the brothers-Maliki, advocacy and others and the Iraqi National Alliance on all key issues and the future of Iraq, I personally am optimistic and I think that the future Munawar and gorgeous .
Iraq: pink mean?
President Talabani: No, the future Munawar, and very good, and Iraq is moving in the right direction, the direction of democracy, towards the achievements required; so I'm optimistic and I think that winning independence, including the evacuation of another U.S. soldier was also gain another, and have demonstrated the ability of the Iraqi political forces actors to maintain independence, and achieve the national sovereignty of Iraq, and their ability to work for the establishment of security and stability in Iraq, and I think that the government is steadily moving, albeit slowly, towards services and significant achievements, especially the project five years which it was decided to establish large-scale projects, and visits the Prime Minister to China and Japan; that led to the willingness of both countries to carry out massive investments in Iraq .
I think that we are facing a bright future in our quest forward, and if you do not want to depend on, I am a man known for optimism in the darkest days I was optimistic, and today this is not the darkest days, we have a prosperous Iraq a democratic enjoy all the freedoms of democracy, the number of newspapers published in Baghdad between supporters and opponents countless Personally, I read the titles, each party enjoying his freedom in Iraq, whether opposed or in favor, each party has TV, radio and newspaper, this was a dream to happen in Iraq; to be where all the democratic freedoms .. Is true we have our shortcomings and defects, treat it, God willing, I am optimistic and I think Iraq is the other forward, and God willing as we were initially marked the Arab Spring we will also mark the future of democracy in the region .
Iraq: Mam Jalal Talabani, President of the Republic Thank you very much and thank you for your patience with us and Trahipk us .
President Talabani: I thank you and welcome you again and invite you to repeat visits .
Iraq: Thank you very much .
President Talabani: A Hala you
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Iraqi Satellite Channel conducted an interview with President Talabani, addressed several sensitive topics related to the withdrawal of U.S. forces, and the position of Arab Iraq in the spring and the security situation with neighboring countries, and files the oil contracts and the future of democracy in Iraq and following the text of the interview :
Iraq: Welcome Dear viewers, peace be upon you and God's mercy and blessings in the new episode of the program (an exclusive interview (.
Various topics of concern to the Iraqi citizens and the street can not be exceeded in any case of withdrawal from Iraq and the American political process, and what is said about the stalemate in Iraq and relations with neighboring countries and the effects of the Arab spring .
Topics we are discussing today in this (interview) with the rule of President Jalal Talabani, hello to you, Mr. President .
President Talabani: Welcome .
Iraq: Mr. President, do you agree with us that there is a deadlock in the political process? Made efforts to reduce the gap and distance between the forces and political blocs, but it seems that this gap did not work in your attempts backfilling .
President Talabani: Yes, I think that respond to the many attempts we have made not the required level, and I think that there are many reasons for the stalemate in the political situation or not to move the position as required. And the reasons including the lack of confidence, there is not enough trust between the Iraqi politicians and even the government or the one in Parliament, Second non-compliance with past agreements and the subsequent non-compliance with the ministerial solidarity, you will find a minister outside the cabinet speaks and shows like ... Another point is very important is the lack of agreement on a national program of action, whether in government or in parliament, and therefore these differences lead to different positions, and I regret to say that the language used in the differences is the language of an uncivilized, the language is not worthy of the politicians, eg when different party with a given position up to the charge of treason and direct employment. Foreign Minister to take a position in the Arab League, a position independent, does not agree, not with the opposition and with the pro wasn'ta direct statements are not responsible that this work was built on the orders of Iran and the Iraqi government carried out the orders of Iran. And the charge ridiculous, not fit for the politicians to exchange such accusations .. On the other hand when you find the other party takes the stand of those who do not like the opposition described as directly accuse them of being agents of Turkey or Qatar and certain Arab countries. This language; language accusations employment should be wiped from Iraqi politics, and it must be the language of our civilization, analysis and reconciliation of positions and the statement of agreement with the national interests instead of recriminations that is poisoning the political atmosphere in Iraq .
Iraq: On this side, Mr. President, there are two words I mentioned, or two positions are very important: first, lack of trust between the political blocs, it is surprising that after eight or nine years of working together after the fall of the regime and perhaps decades before talking Jnapkm lack of confidence and this is strange, II says non-compliance with agreements, it is not committed?
President Talabani: I am a man who works for the convergence and mediation, are not valid to draw me to the charge of not sticking to agreements .. But if we talk in general, we will find non-compliance with a little or a lot of the many parties involved in political action in Arbil, Iraq, for example, the Convention is still some vague or rigid material, for example, several times we agreed not to share the charges and agreed to leave the language of treason and other ..
Iraq: Some accuse the government of not implementing each of the Convention, are you with this opinion?
President Talabani is not true, I think that is unfair to the government .. The government has implemented many of them remained a number of points can not accuse the government of this thing because there are other parties not bound by the Convention, for example, the Iraqi government has implemented the Convention on the ministerial participation and participation in government, and the distribution of the basic functions also .. Carried out by the government, and there are other points have been agreed upon by the government can not do wrong to the government and I accuse them of not implementing the promises .
Iraq: Some say that Iraq is the start of the charges after it was agreed not to exchange accusations through the media, for example .
President Talabani: Iraq launched, sometimes, but also the other hand is the same language, for example, recently, when our Foreign Minister has taken a neutral stance in the Arab League, in fact the man taking my opinion .
Iraq: you mean the position of Syria?
President Talabani: Yes, the position of Syria .. And our representative at the Arab League also took my mind, I was with this view. I do not know whether Mr. Maliki had expressed an opinion in this regard or not, but Secretary of State worked hard there after an interview with the Egyptian and Algerian delegates .. Felt that this position is the correct position. But on the second day we heard the statement that this position is the position of Iran, and Iran has imposed its will, and as I know that Iran were not happy with it they want Iraq to come and vote against this resolution .
Iraq: What did you think when you contact the Foreign Minister .
President Talabani: I was with the same position, and should not be a party to it because there are two fronts .
Iraq: Will contact you before or after the vote?
President asks: before the vote .
Iraq: Mr. President, it seems the culture of the dispute is now the predominant circulating among Iraqi politicians or so it seems to the observer. Are you with this opinion?
President Talabani: Yes, I am with this view .. Culture of the dispute and the culture of the charges is prevailing with great regret, although we know each other so well, there is no Iraqi politician does not know al-Maliki is not a man an emergency on political life, it has been decades in the opposition, and we all were together in Damascus, and at conferences and in other matters, we know his . If the agreed position or close to the Iranian position directly Nthmh of being an agent of Iran, this is a great injustice note that al-Maliki is one of the few politicians who did not live in Iran did not visit Iran, but rarely, this language is the language of an uncivilized and in turn accuse the other of being agents for Turkey and customers to Qatar and so on. If you remain in the Iraqi arena is full of customers and not remain part of the government nor the opposition and the Iraqi national, if the charges included everyone that this affront to all of Iraq .
Iraq: Well as long as the said Mr. Maliki or was mentioned now, shows a press statement on the issue of withdrawal of confidence from the government are you with this proposal? Or at least to move the political action .
President Talabani: I am against the withdrawal of confidence from Maliki, and my opinion was and still is until this moment that the alternative to Maliki Maliki is the same and there is no real need to change the al-Maliki .
Iraq: This is personal opinion? Opinion, Jalal Talabani, President of the Republic? Or the opinion of the Kurds?
President Talabani: This is my opinion as President of the Republic and the opinion of the Kurdish leaders .
Iraq: This is your personal opinion as well?
President Talabani: I do not go out the policy of the Kurdish leadership, although some of the phrases used by different, but in terms of the basis and essence I am convinced that the Kurdish leadership does not see any reason to withdraw confidence from Maliki .
Iraq: Kurdish leadership Baktbhe?
President Talabani: Baktbhe and Boqtabha other .
Iraq: Now there are obvious differences, and this concept, and you as a sentence or Geert be the referee .. Of receipt of the blame for the pervasive differences between the political blocs now?
President Talabani: I think that all the political blocs are responsible to a certain degree, and I am as a person working to bring these groups do not see an interest in the indictment in absentia, or through the media to the point of the actors, but when I meet them I tell them explicitly what is required of them and is the one who should avoid it or to act upon it .
Iraq: Mr. President, we can not resist Dblomacetk .. We Nashún in this work, he spoke frankly, a little bit .
President Talabani: My dear brother, I hope this is not diplomatic, but this is a responsibility I am now in the gallery to mediate between all people, gather them with some of the closest, if Anhzat party against the other will lose this role .. But I am not silent at meetings .. In the meetings that occur between the forces and speak as well as in bilateral meetings speak, and when the situation requires to criticize, criticize .. But I always used the language of criticism and rose in the other .
Iraq: because you rose .. Tell us about your initiative a good new .
President Talabani: God willing, I will seek to an extended meeting with all political forces, including participation and non-participating in the government and call before then to bilateral and trilateral meetings and I am trying for example to a meeting between the poles of the blocks and a limited number to be frank is the prevailing and then claimed to the meeting of all political groups including the is contributing to the Communist government Kalhzb for example, and the National Democratic Party and the Movement of Arab socialism and the forces of other independent nationalists and Nasserites .
Iraq: When?
President Talabani: soon, God willing, I now preface the air for meetings of bilateral, trilateral and then never, God willing, the wide encounters .
Iraq: Do you have defined it?
President Talabani: I am I will present a draft written for all to discuss it .
Iraq: What are the main features of this project?
President Talabani: the basic features of the project, which is where I think we must agree on a joint work program and ministerial and parliamentary, and must agree on the attitude of some of the burning issues such as the position of the Arab spring and the position of Saddam's Baath and the situation of terrorism. For example, I as an administrator for the protection of the Constitution came to me the complaints sometimes, for example, I received a complaint about the group who were accused of wedding Dujail and made the subject, and I am a lawyer I used to hear different opinions verified that the complaint is false and unfounded, however I was asked to intervene against the decisions issued according to the law and the Constitution .. The information I received is incorrect information, if there are issues we must agree upon later. For example the situation of terrorism, the position of the executions, the position of the activity carried out by Saddam's Baath .. The actions taken by the recent security services and police, mainly against the party of Saddam .. Interpreted this activity incorrectly First, they tried to give this activity, dye-sectarian, and then show first, that the existing statute was not Shiite, not an Arab but a Kurd, and that those who were arrested from the Shiites do not just as a number for those arrested of the year, the matter is the fact that he found the movement of suspicious and dangerous against Iraq on the occasion of the U.S. withdrawal was there to create some of the processes of anti-democratic, federal system is located. Police have taken the right decisions, all the arrests took place with the consent of the courts and the investigations were fair and frank confessions were later published of Iraqi public opinion occurred while the sensation of another party that this campaign and it included a random innocent people while the truth is otherwise .
Iraq: If you are a supporter of what government has done?
President Talabani: Yes, I met with the leaders of the police in this building and explained the situation to me at length found them doing the work of national and Fbarkihm Hnathm on this work .
Iraq: Mr. President, an important issue, an issue the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, many questions raised and the concern of the project when the Iraqi citizens as well as when the House and the political blocs and there is assurance of the government and when the military forces, the result must be to ask you, Mr. President, how you look at the possibility of Iraqi forces in the maintenance of security after leaving the U.S. .
President Talabani: I want to be frank with you in this question, in relation to internal security, I believe that the police and military forces capable of maintaining security, as is the case now, but there is great imbalance in air defense and maritime as well as in the use of new weapons, it was seen as of the Republic on the reports from the responsible officers in the army of the Iraqi air power and sea power, armor, infantry, and all these reports showing the need for Iraq to the U.S. presence, or at least to the presence of U.S. trainers; because they say we are not able now to protect our airspace and to protect our waters and the use of weapons to be bought or got some of the Americans .
I told this fact at a meeting of leaders of political blocs and I told them I am Prime Minister, we received these reports and want I am ready to show him it, and Iraqi army officers as a whole without discrimination between the items they want to stay a certain for the Americans, either as trainers or as agents of help for Iraq against terrorism and against external interference, but the result was that the majority refused to give a guarantee for Americans to understand gradually withdraw. I do not think that the withdrawal of the Americans would be a disaster for Iraq Iraq I believe it can to preserve internal security, and that not only the government but the political forces contributing to the political process that contributed to the struggle against dictatorship and overthrow the dictatorship, too, are also ready to defend Iraq and the maintenance of internal security and order Internal example, the Peshmerga forces ready to defend and to work in any area of ordering the government to operate to impose security and stability, and I also think that people would be prepared, and there are Xi last I think that the arguments, however, who are fighting the regime will fall, if they are fighting the occupation and fight the Americans if it withdrew the Americans are fighting is the Iraqi people and Iraqi national forces, so this is also a strength of the Federal Government .
Iraq: But you Mnatamohm or even coaches do not give a chance for the survival of instructors as requested with the immunity of certain Americans, he says, without any possible immunity of people come and arrest me and I have come to Adrbak and to help you .
President Talabani: Yes, I'm giving you immunity and you may know, and did not know if I will tell you a secret is that the Party of Kurdistan Voice of giving immunity to the survival of Americans .
Iraq: immunity against all the others?
President Talabani: not all against it, has become a political game, smart, the only party who declared support to stay is the party of Kurdistan, and the only party which declared hostility is the Sadrist movement, and other parties and the centrist and remained on the fence did not take a virtual position .
Iraq: But the strange thing now is that many political leaders either say that we have not received or have not yet seen reports on the readiness of the troops to give an opinion, of course, after the withdrawal of American forces after the withdrawal became a real case, and others say we Khulna Prime Minister to decide, as if is the one who made the decision not to grant immunity, and if anything bad happened, God forbid, Fbzma the Prime Minister or the Government or the decision was taken .
President Talabani: I want to tell you frankly, is not true that they did not tell the reports, I personally explained to them, at a meeting of political leaders,
Iraq: this talk of history, Mr. President?
President Talabani: Yes, I announced to you from the TV screen, I explained to the political leaders that the officers in the Iraqi army armored them, infantry and air force and navy want to keep the trained Americans, and say that we alone are unable to protect the atmosphere, seas and the use of weapons ...
Iraq: according to official reports?
President Talabani and signed by the official reports of senior officers, the Prime Minister said, I have .. Anyone who wants to kind enough to show him these reports, the distinguished read, who does not believe these reports are ready, it is kind enough to read it and understand its content, and this means the Prime Minister and I explained to people the fact that reports from senior officers of the Iraqi Army, not true to say that they do not know, I stayed authorize the issue of the Prime Minister, that was a smart tactic after he knew that the tide of the National Alliance, the Americans decided not to stay, others say we support what the Prime Minister take, and the Prime Minister said Taadona in everything? They said both only support you in this mess, this was the real position of power, and I think that there was a lack of appreciation of the need to correct for the presence of American trainers in Iraq .
Iraq: What is the situation now, and what are the solutions with our own hands to deal with this situation, do you leave the country like this?
President Talabani: No, first Prime Minister will visit the United States of America, and there will try to get what may be a trained non-military companies that we deal with it, if they shall be without immunity or you may think or agree with the Americans to send missions of Iraq to the United States to be trained the use of weapons that we buy and then come back and train others, or we may agree with some European countries to train the Iraqis on the U.S. arms that we buy, I mean the government is considering to find a solution and not to leave the rope at liberty, as they say, and I support the effort the government in these areas as well .
Iraq: This is part of the solution to the problem, American forces were helping us to obtain intelligence on terrorists, border control and control of this desert and other areas and in weapons training, all of these things .
President Talabani: Yes, I am in my personal estimation, there is not true of the U.S. role. Americans came and Khalsona of the worst dictatorship in the world and without the military intervention was not possible, you know, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, attempts have been many revolutions in Kurdistan and the uprisings in the south and coup attempts in the Iraqi army, are not able to budge Saddam Hussein from the center, which was it, and the salvation of the dictatorship, some people deny this thing and think the mentality of those who call themselves the resistance, therefore, does not appreciate the fact that the importance of the U.S. presence to us, as you would Cheranm these points are important points. But we've got something, the last agreement with the Americans, a framework agreement for strategic cooperation, according to this Convention could benefit from the experience of America and the United States Information and Technology and the American political attitudes in the service of Iraq .
Iraq: How do you assess the U.S. presence in Iraq in these years from the fall of the regime until the decision to exit, which is now, how Takimonh negatively or positively .
President Talabani: The first thing, in my view, their coming was positive to rid Iraq of a dictatorship, I have a friend was in charge of an Arab great and was Anaakecna on the subject of American intervention, and repugnant this intervention, a few days ago I heard on television calling for military intervention in Syria, to rid the country .
Iraq: Who is he?
President Talabani: I do not tell you the secret of this, old friend, now outside the government, but if you hear the radio know who, but do not take me to a confession. I say this for the U.S. presence. Then I think that the Americans when they came here to have committed some errors, the error first they did not agree on an Iraqi national in the beginning, this was the situation under discussion severe between the parties to the Iraqi opposition and the U.S. delegation British in Iraq, even the representative of England tells a transcendent a lot and I remember Dr. Ahmad Chalabi, said to him, Miss Bell was better before your fifty or eighty years since Miss Bell contributed to the formation of the Iraqi government and you are now opposed to the establishment of an Iraqi government, this is the first error, the error for what is transferred subject to the Security Council and turned from liberation to occupation. This is even earn the rights of occupation. There are other errors committed in the formation of police forces and the formation of the army, but I generally held attitude positive, free Iraq from dictatorship a very important step and its impact on the Arab world now and in the future is very large, I'm in my opinion that Iraq is democratic, federal, independent will affect positively on the Arab and Islamic position and the entire Middle East region .
Iraq: Flanthol to another subject, Mr. President, there is always an interview and is renewed for a Kurdish state and the establishment of Kurdish state what is your opinion?
President Talabani: Yes, I tell you my opinion frankly, I am a small co-Kurdish movement, movement, liberal democracy Kurdish, believing that the Kurdish people do not achieve the demands of nationalism and democracy legitimate only within Iraq, democratic, federal, independent of the periods even before the overthrow of property we were We call for the overthrow of the monarchy, we are since the founding of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) also make us the slogan of self-determination, and you know the right of self-determination have different meanings, but the issue of Kurdish government, I think that the Kurdish State Independent is the motto can not be achieved now, I want to be frank with you so let me say that my all, I often discuss some of the enthusiastic young people. Let us assume that the Kurdistan Parliament declared independence, if not declared Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq war by closing the border and were satisfied with it, how this country will live? How how to export import trade and how to deal politically with the world? If, on the current situation requires us to be a federal Iraqi Democrats. Add to that that era is the era of union between the peoples of Europe tend to notice what? The Union. Well as Latin America and the countries of Asia and the major countries are close to each, this era is the era of large entities, the interest of the Kurdish people that make sure it is in the voluntary union with Iraq, and this serves the future and present; so I think that the federal Kurdistan within Iraq that achieve the objectives of the Kurdish people and I I say more, 95 percent of Kurds voted for the constitution of Iraq, the Iraqi constitution, a federal constitution in the sense that 95% of Kurds favored voluntary union with the Arab people in Iraq on secession; so I think clearly this, I do not know in the future after 20 or 50 years how to turn events in the Middle East, I can not predict, but in the foreseeable future, I think that this is the solution within the democratic and federal Iraq that Kurdish people enjoying his or her next to his brother, the Iraqi people .
Iraq: Why whenever a crisis in Kurdistan or close to the election, or for any reason, starting this invitation? Do you want some, the issue of crisis?
President Talabani: I think that those who say this thing some of them of Kurdish extremists and there is extremism in all parts of the world, there are Kurds are not satisfied with the current government in Kurdistan and cite anything, there are also those who believe that the time has come to call for a Kurdish state, to gain mass of the people especially those returning from Europe and living in Europe find that the number of countries belonging to the United Nations reached 190; Why do not you may be, including Kurds, I personally think that the Kurdish people voted on the voluntary union when it voted on the Iraqi constitution .
Iraq: Mr. President, there is another issue raises provocative political forces, especially in the federal government is the region's oil contracts, some see as a departure from the Constitution, the Kurdistan says: No, it is within the agreements or unconstitutional. Where is the truth?
President Talabani: First, we must all acknowledge that the Iraqi Constitution in Article 112 specify that the oil wealth and national, wherever they are, wherever oil Oil of Iraq, all of us, whether in Kirkuk or Sulaimaniyah or Basra, or architecture, this oil is Iraqi oil, imports should be included in the budget central Baghdad, and are distributed according to the Constitution by just between regions or between the provinces and there are several points I want to, notably, the first point and the Minister of oil, especially Dr. Shahristani excelled on the subject of agreements with foreign companies, for the first time imposed on them service contracts and not a partnership that is a good step register for a brother-Shahristani. Allowed the government to regional agreements until the adoption of oil and gas law in parliament, where the law did not pass until such are approved law, the Government of the Territory contract agreements, but after the passing of the bill may not be to the Government of the Region The complexity of any oil deals without the consent of the Centre, Article 112 of the Constitution, paragraph (b) says that the strategic oil in new areas excavated or explored must be agreement between central government and the territorial Government and the provinces so as not unique to a party, there sometimes is disagreement on this point, when a unique example, the oil minister of the Central or unique to the region; therefore may not be unilaterally and there must be harmony or agreement without separately, .
Iraq: another issue for the region is the Turkish bombing of Iran on the borders of Kurdistan, as well as the Turks and the Iranians accuse the region harboring militias or parties hostile to them, as well as the supplement to be an answer Jnapkm complete, we have heard in recent weeks that the Turks have made a project of 15 or 18 points to solve this issue But the region reject the project because it involves issues of sovereignty or something like that, could you tell us this?
President Talabani: Yes, first the fact that the bombing of border areas by the two-state violates international law and violates the independence and sovereignty of Iraq, but the next, there is another fact that there are forces, a Kurdish Iranian and Turkish settle on Iraqi territory and commit acts of violence within the territory of the two countries, these countries respond to these Business bombed areas, and with regret shelling sometimes be on the safe villages and people safe, not on the centers of rebel Kurdish Iranians, Turks, we on our part, we tried hard to convince the powers armed Iranian Kurdish and Turkish, that era is the era of armed struggle and that this era is the era of Che Guevara or Mao Tse Tung or Ho Chi Minh, but is the era of the parliamentary struggle, mass struggle, the struggle of media, political struggle, the struggle of a diplomat. Especially in Turkey, there are areas of the parliamentary and political struggle has demanded located in the Qandil mountains that stop the armed struggle and embrace political action .
Convey to you a secret .. Are Klfona, and they said yes, well we accept your opinion, and we are ready to put the weapon on two conditions, the first general amnesty issued us; because they said when they ask us to the Prime Minister of Turkey to get out of the mountain and come to the cities where Abosonna; Abosonna to our homes or to prison, if Abosonna to prison will not go down from the mountain, and if issued a general pardon us, we are ready .. This is the first application. The second request they said in the Turkish Constitution, the new that there should be stated that Turkey is not the whole of Turkey, there are the people of Turkey is composed of different nationalities signal, even a light to the people of Turkey is not all Turks; for example, our Vice Kurdish famous name Leyla Zana acted intelligently this time when I swore the right of parliament, the alliance says the great Turkish people swear, I swear she said the people of Turkey means great people of Turkey is different from the Turkish people. Vhmlona this letter and I told Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdogan's letter, has promised to study them, and the guy told me he's a Muslim, and Islam does not differentiate between nationalities, and I read him the verse:) O mankind We created you from male and female and made you into nations and tribes so that ye may is the most pious ( .
For the general amnesty he said that the amnesty which the problems and needs to create an atmosphere to the end, I said to him, Mr. Prime Minister you kindly and I told you a Muslim man and Muslim should be consistent and coordinated with the behavior of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, even when the Prophet the conquest of Mecca said, Go you are at large .. It entered the house of Abu Sufyan is safe, his wife, and Abu Sufyan India drank the blood of the Prophet's uncle Hamza, I told him Jnapk must be guided by the Great Prophet said, this is true. But I am not the Prophet Mohammed I, Recep Tayyip Erdogan .
After all this was an attempt and President Massoud Barzani remained in this thing but there is not eighteen items imposed on us, but these are all fabrications Media is not responsible, but on the contrary, the understanding is well between the President Masoud Barzani, the brothers the Turks, as well as between brother Dr. Barham Salih, prime minister Turkish, and there was agreement on the need to find a political solution to this issue but we do not help the PKK in their armed against Turkey, and we saw a clear and explicit that the PKK should end the armed struggle; because the Covenant is not the era of armed struggle and there is a possibility in Turkey for the exercise of the struggle .
Iraq: means there is no initiative?
President Talabani: There was no initiative, but we also told you, I'm the initiative in their own language and I think that the brother Masud discuss the matter .
Iraq: Turkish initiative, I mean .
President Talabani: Yes, wait and be patient a little bit. For Iran, we have made efforts to solve the problem between Iran and Jack, Jack was the work within Turkey and Iran .
Iraq: So it appears that you succeeded with the Iranian side; but it seems that you are on the Turkish side did you manage to convince the PKK throw the weapon, but you did not succeed in persuading Turkey to stop the bombing .
President Talabani: We hope that we succeed, there are also half done and the rest of the other half .
Iraq: Let's get into other topics may be of interest of the Iraqi citizen, as the reports on the hosting of Qaddafi or Assad family in Kurdistan?
President Talabani is not true, for me I have not been any contact with me to this subject ever .
Iraq: The Iraqi state anyone?
President Talabani of the Iraqi state does not know, but for me, because the news was broadcast about me, I deny the subject categorically did not call one of me, what happened to one of the brothers Libyans visited me with a message from Mr. Mustafa, the Libyan leader provisional for the forgiveness of all Libyans convicted in Iraq, including five condemned to death and the others are condemned to several years, visited me brother in Sulaymaniyah, and I respected and showed him first, I have no powers of cancellation provisions and not to the Prime Minister is also the powers of the abolition of death sentences, death sentences can be revoked only by decision of the parliament this first. Second, those who came to Iraq did not come to trade and tourism and to visit the marshes or mountains, but came to criminal acts and release requires the approval of the government and the competent authorities and to know the gravity of the issues, showed sympathy with those who have not committed certain crimes to be released .
Iraq: As you said that you intervene for the release of Libyan and Tunisian detainees .
President Talabani: Tunisians do not, there is no one called me from the Tunisian all Libyans are contacted. This brother Dr. living in Istanbul came to visit us with a message from Mr. Mustafa .
Iraq: Arab spring and what is happening in our region, the official position seems clear one way or another, do you think in general spring Arab, and especially in some cases, there are fears that up by extremists or Islamists to power and I want to also specifically your position from Syria and what is happening now in Syria .
President Talabani: first with regard to the Arab spring, Iraq on several occasions between spring welcomed the Arab in general, and support the struggles of the Arab peoples for democracy, human rights and civilian governments of the parliamentary constitutional principle. We are of course opposed to the Western armed intervention in internal affairs, we believe that the Arab initiative could be a valid basis to resolve issues in Syria .
Iraq: in Syria?
President Talabani: Yes, in Syria, and we also made efforts for the success of the Arab initiative toward Syria .. For this position we of course support the work of peaceful political order of democracy and civilian government constitutional in Syria, and we work for reforms sought by the Syrian people, do not hide you and the public we are worried about the alternative, for example, now is the alternative Tunisian good free elections took place, the forces of a different beat, and formed a coalition between Islamists and secularists, and distributed three positions, and we welcome this step in Iraq, but do not hide We are afraid of the radical party, if replaced the old situation .
Iraq: Who are you afraid of anything?
President Talabani: If you were afraid of extremist forces hostile to democracy and hostile to a democratic Iraq, and hostile to the real significance of the Arab spring .
Iraq: Mr. President, but also public opinion in Iraq, the Syrian regime that was hostile to democracy, and there were accusations that they are sending terrorists to Iraq and booby you be the next worse than previously, for example?
President Talabani: Personally, I see my brother I have the experience of time in my political life, when we fought the system of Abd al-Karim Qasim, without thinking about what the alternative was the result?! The Movement for February Black that brought disasters and calamities on the Iraqi people, so we must be careful, we are against the dictatorship in any Arab country, and we support the right of the Arab peoples in the democratic and parliamentary life and political life and the freedom of the press, but beside that we are against foreign military intervention, and we heard in the a time for the Turkish intervention, and say that this is something scary to what leads? We did not deny the right of the Syrian people's rights and democratic freedoms, and explained our view that both in private messages between us and the brothers in Syria or in comments Brother Ali spokesman for the Iraqi government, or in the statements of the brother-Maliki, or in the statements of Minister of Foreign Affairs, we have said on behalf of Iraq We meet with the liabilities of democracy for the Syrian people, but not with the foreign military intervention in Syria or Turkey .
Iraq: One last question, Mr. President, where we are going now Is there a historical changes are important, very precise historical period as well as internally and externally, where we are now worse or better .
President Talabani: Yes, I tell you frankly my opinion, after the delegation came to Baghdad, Kurdistan has been agreed with the brothers-Maliki, advocacy and others and the Iraqi National Alliance on all key issues and the future of Iraq, I personally am optimistic and I think that the future Munawar and gorgeous .
Iraq: pink mean?
President Talabani: No, the future Munawar, and very good, and Iraq is moving in the right direction, the direction of democracy, towards the achievements required; so I'm optimistic and I think that winning independence, including the evacuation of another U.S. soldier was also gain another, and have demonstrated the ability of the Iraqi political forces actors to maintain independence, and achieve the national sovereignty of Iraq, and their ability to work for the establishment of security and stability in Iraq, and I think that the government is steadily moving, albeit slowly, towards services and significant achievements, especially the project five years which it was decided to establish large-scale projects, and visits the Prime Minister to China and Japan; that led to the willingness of both countries to carry out massive investments in Iraq .
I think that we are facing a bright future in our quest forward, and if you do not want to depend on, I am a man known for optimism in the darkest days I was optimistic, and today this is not the darkest days, we have a prosperous Iraq a democratic enjoy all the freedoms of democracy, the number of newspapers published in Baghdad between supporters and opponents countless Personally, I read the titles, each party enjoying his freedom in Iraq, whether opposed or in favor, each party has TV, radio and newspaper, this was a dream to happen in Iraq; to be where all the democratic freedoms .. Is true we have our shortcomings and defects, treat it, God willing, I am optimistic and I think Iraq is the other forward, and God willing as we were initially marked the Arab Spring we will also mark the future of democracy in the region .
Iraq: Mam Jalal Talabani, President of the Republic Thank you very much and thank you for your patience with us and Trahipk us .
President Talabani: I thank you and welcome you again and invite you to repeat visits .
Iraq: Thank you very much .
President Talabani: A Hala you
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